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11 minutes ago, Mario1944 said:

Caro Tyrael,  Pindaro fu un poeta lirico greco

Tanto importante che quando Alessandro Magno distrusse Tebe, ordinò di lasciare in piedi solo la casa di Pindaro (che per inciso era già morto e sepolto da un bel po').

Hai presente, @Tyrael, quando si parla di "voli pindarici"? Ecco, l'espressione deriva dal suo stile poetico 😍

1 minute ago, Tex said:

Hai presente, @Tyrael, quando si parla di "voli pindarici"? Ecco, l'espressione deriva dal suo stile poetico 😍

Ecco così ha senso e mi aiuta a comprendere :aha:mario impara da tex nel comunicare con persone ignoranti e analfabete come me :sisi: xD

Accidenti:

addirittura analfabeta.... 😉

D'altronde, trattandosi d'argomento dedicato ai numi greci, una citazione letteraria greca non mi pare sia fuori luogo;   benché peraltro, ai fini della comprensione del significato della sentenza, l'autore non penso sia importante:

rimane infatti  che siamo sogni d'ombre per la brevità e nullità della nostra esistenza nell'Universo.

Aggiungo quel che segue, per consolazione almeno di coloro che confidino negli dei:

"sogno d'un ombra l'uomo,

ma quando scenda un raggio dono di Zeus,

una luce splendente sta sopra gli uomini ed una vita gentile".

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7 minutes ago, Mario1944 said:

Bacco non era il nome di Dioniso nell'interpretazione romana degli dei greci, ma era un appellativo greco di Dioniso:

Il dio romano corrispondente a Dioniso era Libero.

Mai sentito libero cioè non ricordo, cmq grazie per la delucidazione andrò a informarmi volentieri 

23 hours ago, Azotep92 said:

Mai sentito libero cioè non ricordo, cmq grazie per la delucidazione andrò a informarmi volentieri 

Dal "Dictionary of Greek and Roman biography and mythology" di William Smith sub voce "Liber":

"This name, or Liber pater, is frequently applied by the Roman poets to the Greek Bacchus or Dionysus, who was accordingly regarded as identical with the Italian Liber. Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24), however, very justly distinguishes between Dionysus (the Greek Liber) and the Liber who was worshipped by the early Italians in conjunction with Ceres and Libera. Liber and the feminine Libera were ancient Italian divinities, presiding over the cultivation of the vine and fertility of the fields; and this seems to have given rise to the combination of their worship with that of Ceres. A temple of these three divinities was vowed by the dictator, A. Postumius, in B. C. 496, near the Circus Flaminius; it was afterwards restored by Augustus, and dedicated by Tiberius. (Tac. Ann. 2.49; Dionys. A. R. 6.17.) The most probable etymology of the name Liber is from liberare; Servius (ad Virg. Georg. 1.7) indeed states that the Sabine name for Liber was Loebasius, but this seems to have been only an obsolete form for Liber, just as we are told that the ancient Romans said loebesus and loebertas for the later forms liber(us) and libertas. (Paul. Diac. p. 121, ed. Miller.) Hence Seneca (de Tranq. Anim. 15) says, " Liber dictus est quia liberat servitio curarum animi;" while others, who were evidently thinking of the Greek Bacchus, found in the name an allusion to licentious drinking and speaking. (Macr. 1.18; August. de Civ. Dei, 6.9; Paul. Diac. p. 115.) Poets usually call him Liber pater, the latter word being very commonly added by the Italians to the names of gods. The female Libera was identified by the Romans with Cora or Persephone, the daughter of Demeter (Ceres), whence Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24) calls Liber and Libera children of Ceres; whereas Ovid (Ov. Fast. 3.512) calls Ariadne Libera. The festival of the Liberalia was celebrated by the Romans every year on the 17th of March. (Dict. of Ant. s. v. Liberalia; Hartung, Die Relig. der Röm. vol. ii. p. 135, &c.; Klausen, Aeneas und die Penaten, vol. ii. p. 750, &c.) ".

2 hours ago, Mario1944 said:

Dal "Dictionary of Greek and Roman biography and mythology" di William Smith sub voce "Liber":

 

"This name, or Liber pater, is frequently applied by the Roman poets to the Greek Bacchus or Dionysus, who was accordingly regarded as identical with the Italian Liber. Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24), however, very justly distinguishes between Dionysus (the Greek Liber) and the Liber who was worshipped by the early Italians in conjunction with Ceres and Libera. Liber and the feminine Libera were ancient Italian divinities, presiding over the cultivation of the vine and fertility of the fields; and this seems to have given rise to the combination of their worship with that of Ceres. A temple of these three divinities was vowed by the dictator, A. Postumius, in B. C. 496, near the Circus Flaminius; it was afterwards restored by Augustus, and dedicated by Tiberius. (Tac. Ann. 2.49; Dionys. A. R. 6.17.) The most probable etymology of the name Liber is from liberare; Servius (ad Virg. Georg. 1.7) indeed states that the Sabine name for Liber was Loebasius, but this seems to have been only an obsolete form for Liber, just as we are told that the ancient Romans said loebesus and loebertas for the later forms liber(us) and libertas. (Paul. Diac. p. 121, ed. Miller.) Hence Seneca (de Tranq. Anim. 15) says, " Liber dictus est quia liberat servitio curarum animi;" while others, who were evidently thinking of the Greek Bacchus, found in the name an allusion to licentious drinking and speaking. (Macr. 1.18; August. de Civ. Dei, 6.9; Paul. Diac. p. 115.) Poets usually call him Liber pater, the latter word being very commonly added by the Italians to the names of gods. The female Libera was identified by the Romans with Cora or Persephone, the daughter of Demeter (Ceres), whence Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24) calls Liber and Libera children of Ceres; whereas Ovid (Ov. Fast. 3.512) calls Ariadne Libera. The festival of the Liberalia was celebrated by the Romans every year on the 17th of March. (Dict. of Ant. s. v. Liberalia; Hartung, Die Relig. der Röm. vol. ii. p. 135, &c.; Klausen, Aeneas und die Penaten, vol. ii. p. 750, &c.) ".

Quindi alla fine Bacco è greco lo stesso una specie di soprannome per Dioniso...Ma io ricordo che nelle isole greche di Rodi Creta e la sicilia greca veniva chiamato Bacco credo anche a Micene...forse sbaglio ma io ricordavo ciò 🤔🤔

7 hours ago, Azotep92 said:

Quindi alla fine Bacco è greco lo stesso una specie di soprannome per Dioniso..

Sì:

Bakkhos e la variante Iakkhos erano soprannomi di Dionysos che del resto ne aveva altri seppur meno usati come Lyaios, Bromios eccetera.

27 minutes ago, Mario1944 said:

Tyrael uomo versatile e fallace?

Soprattutto versatile :aha:

ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ
πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν·

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