Tex Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 21 hours ago, Tyrael said: Prima di rassegnarmi aspetto mario1944 13 hours ago, Mario1944 said: la folgore del Cronide vi punirà... @Tyrael sei stato accontentato Grazie mille Mario 🥰 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tex said: @Tyrael sei stato accontentato Grazie mille Mario 🥰 Si. E sono sodisfatto anche di sbuffo. Noto che molti ambiscono all'oscurità 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Tyrael said: Noto che molti ambiscono all'oscurità Forse che non è "sogno d'un ombra l'uomo"? come ammonì Pindaro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Mario1944 said: Forse che non è "sogno d'un ombra l'uomo"? come ammonì Pindaro. Caro mario non colgo i riferimenti letterari 🤔 xD credo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Caro Tyrael, Pindaro fu un poeta lirico greco; peraltro il suo verso ho citato in merito alla tua osservazione sul desiderio d'oscurità di alcuni: l'uomo è ombra, anzi, sogno d'un'ombra.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mario1944 said: Caro Tyrael, Pindaro fu un poeta lirico greco Tanto importante che quando Alessandro Magno distrusse Tebe, ordinò di lasciare in piedi solo la casa di Pindaro (che per inciso era già morto e sepolto da un bel po'). Hai presente, @Tyrael, quando si parla di "voli pindarici"? Ecco, l'espressione deriva dal suo stile poetico 😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Tex said: Hai presente, @Tyrael, quando si parla di "voli pindarici"? Ecco, l'espressione deriva dal suo stile poetico 😍 Ecco così ha senso e mi aiuta a comprendere mario impara da tex nel comunicare con persone ignoranti e analfabete come me xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) Accidenti: addirittura analfabeta.... 😉 D'altronde, trattandosi d'argomento dedicato ai numi greci, una citazione letteraria greca non mi pare sia fuori luogo; benché peraltro, ai fini della comprensione del significato della sentenza, l'autore non penso sia importante: rimane infatti che siamo sogni d'ombre per la brevità e nullità della nostra esistenza nell'Universo. Aggiungo quel che segue, per consolazione almeno di coloro che confidino negli dei: "sogno d'un ombra l'uomo, ma quando scenda un raggio dono di Zeus, una luce splendente sta sopra gli uomini ed una vita gentile". Edited March 22, 2020 by Mario1944 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azotep92 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Per me facilissimo Dioniso o me per i romani Bacco....in pochi citano anche la sua passione per le orge pre e dopo banchetto.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freedog Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, Azotep92 said: .in pochi citano anche la sua passione per le orge pre e dopo banchetto.... e secondo te perchè io l'ho nominato? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Azotep92 said: per i romani Bacco. Bacco non era il nome di Dioniso nell'interpretazione romana degli dei greci, ma era un appellativo greco di Dioniso: Il dio romano corrispondente a Dioniso era Libero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azotep92 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, freedog said: e secondo te perchè io l'ho nominato? Ahaha non l avevo letto🤣🤣, quante orge si è fatto sto bastardo di dioniso? Troppe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mario1944 said: Bacco non era il nome di Dioniso nell'interpretazione romana degli dei greci, ma era un appellativo greco di Dioniso Così come, molto probabilmente, Iacco 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azotep92 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mario1944 said: Bacco non era il nome di Dioniso nell'interpretazione romana degli dei greci, ma era un appellativo greco di Dioniso: Il dio romano corrispondente a Dioniso era Libero. Mai sentito libero cioè non ricordo, cmq grazie per la delucidazione andrò a informarmi volentieri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Sì: probabilmente Iakkhos era una variante di Bakkhos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxAeterna Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Mmmh... io direi Calipso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, LuxAeterna said: Mmmh... io direi Calipso E chi sarebbe il tuo Ulisse? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saramandasama Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) Marine Le Pen Edited March 23, 2020 by Saramandasama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 23 hours ago, Azotep92 said: Mai sentito libero cioè non ricordo, cmq grazie per la delucidazione andrò a informarmi volentieri Dal "Dictionary of Greek and Roman biography and mythology" di William Smith sub voce "Liber": "This name, or Liber pater, is frequently applied by the Roman poets to the Greek Bacchus or Dionysus, who was accordingly regarded as identical with the Italian Liber. Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24), however, very justly distinguishes between Dionysus (the Greek Liber) and the Liber who was worshipped by the early Italians in conjunction with Ceres and Libera. Liber and the feminine Libera were ancient Italian divinities, presiding over the cultivation of the vine and fertility of the fields; and this seems to have given rise to the combination of their worship with that of Ceres. A temple of these three divinities was vowed by the dictator, A. Postumius, in B. C. 496, near the Circus Flaminius; it was afterwards restored by Augustus, and dedicated by Tiberius. (Tac. Ann. 2.49; Dionys. A. R. 6.17.) The most probable etymology of the name Liber is from liberare; Servius (ad Virg. Georg. 1.7) indeed states that the Sabine name for Liber was Loebasius, but this seems to have been only an obsolete form for Liber, just as we are told that the ancient Romans said loebesus and loebertas for the later forms liber(us) and libertas. (Paul. Diac. p. 121, ed. Miller.) Hence Seneca (de Tranq. Anim. 15) says, " Liber dictus est quia liberat servitio curarum animi;" while others, who were evidently thinking of the Greek Bacchus, found in the name an allusion to licentious drinking and speaking. (Macr. 1.18; August. de Civ. Dei, 6.9; Paul. Diac. p. 115.) Poets usually call him Liber pater, the latter word being very commonly added by the Italians to the names of gods. The female Libera was identified by the Romans with Cora or Persephone, the daughter of Demeter (Ceres), whence Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24) calls Liber and Libera children of Ceres; whereas Ovid (Ov. Fast. 3.512) calls Ariadne Libera. The festival of the Liberalia was celebrated by the Romans every year on the 17th of March. (Dict. of Ant. s. v. Liberalia; Hartung, Die Relig. der Röm. vol. ii. p. 135, &c.; Klausen, Aeneas und die Penaten, vol. ii. p. 750, &c.) ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Shiryu Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Mmm non ho idea di quale divinitià sarei... 😮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azotep92 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Mario1944 said: Dal "Dictionary of Greek and Roman biography and mythology" di William Smith sub voce "Liber": "This name, or Liber pater, is frequently applied by the Roman poets to the Greek Bacchus or Dionysus, who was accordingly regarded as identical with the Italian Liber. Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24), however, very justly distinguishes between Dionysus (the Greek Liber) and the Liber who was worshipped by the early Italians in conjunction with Ceres and Libera. Liber and the feminine Libera were ancient Italian divinities, presiding over the cultivation of the vine and fertility of the fields; and this seems to have given rise to the combination of their worship with that of Ceres. A temple of these three divinities was vowed by the dictator, A. Postumius, in B. C. 496, near the Circus Flaminius; it was afterwards restored by Augustus, and dedicated by Tiberius. (Tac. Ann. 2.49; Dionys. A. R. 6.17.) The most probable etymology of the name Liber is from liberare; Servius (ad Virg. Georg. 1.7) indeed states that the Sabine name for Liber was Loebasius, but this seems to have been only an obsolete form for Liber, just as we are told that the ancient Romans said loebesus and loebertas for the later forms liber(us) and libertas. (Paul. Diac. p. 121, ed. Miller.) Hence Seneca (de Tranq. Anim. 15) says, " Liber dictus est quia liberat servitio curarum animi;" while others, who were evidently thinking of the Greek Bacchus, found in the name an allusion to licentious drinking and speaking. (Macr. 1.18; August. de Civ. Dei, 6.9; Paul. Diac. p. 115.) Poets usually call him Liber pater, the latter word being very commonly added by the Italians to the names of gods. The female Libera was identified by the Romans with Cora or Persephone, the daughter of Demeter (Ceres), whence Cicero (de Nat. Deor. 2.24) calls Liber and Libera children of Ceres; whereas Ovid (Ov. Fast. 3.512) calls Ariadne Libera. The festival of the Liberalia was celebrated by the Romans every year on the 17th of March. (Dict. of Ant. s. v. Liberalia; Hartung, Die Relig. der Röm. vol. ii. p. 135, &c.; Klausen, Aeneas und die Penaten, vol. ii. p. 750, &c.) ". Quindi alla fine Bacco è greco lo stesso una specie di soprannome per Dioniso...Ma io ricordo che nelle isole greche di Rodi Creta e la sicilia greca veniva chiamato Bacco credo anche a Micene...forse sbaglio ma io ricordavo ciò 🤔🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dragon Shiryu said: Mmm non ho idea di quale divinitià sarei... 😮 Saresti Hercules https://youtu.be/feHSq2EAXjk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabrinaS Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 le divinità greche sono patetiche, un covo di t3rroni pettegoli e dediti alle orgie, non mi sono mai piaciute, a parte pollon. Sembra una puntata di uomini e donne, dei giovani però, neanche quello over che almeno fa ridere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxAeterna Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 22 hours ago, Tex said: E chi sarebbe il tuo Ulisse? 😉 Chissà... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Azotep92 said: Quindi alla fine Bacco è greco lo stesso una specie di soprannome per Dioniso.. Sì: Bakkhos e la variante Iakkhos erano soprannomi di Dionysos che del resto ne aveva altri seppur meno usati come Lyaios, Bromios eccetera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Shiryu Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 16 hours ago, Tyrael said: Saresti Hercules https://youtu.be/feHSq2EAXjk credevo quello della Disney prima dell'allenamento con Fil... ahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrael Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 On 3/22/2020 at 10:51 PM, Tex said: E chi sarebbe il tuo Ulisse? 😉 Io Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted March 24, 2020 Author Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tyrael said: On 3/22/2020 at 10:51 PM, Tex said: E chi sarebbe il tuo Ulisse? 😉 Io @LuxAeterna in fondo il buon Tyrael non è male come Ulisse Edited March 24, 2020 by Tex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario1944 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, Tex said: Tyrael non è male come Ulisse Tyrael uomo versatile e fallace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted March 24, 2020 Author Share Posted March 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, Mario1944 said: Tyrael uomo versatile e fallace? Soprattutto versatile ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰπλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν· Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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